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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:12:50 -0600
From: Andre Heuer
Subject: Re: Andre's poem






Bobby,

Yes, it is a judgment and yes, this brilliant man's life and potential was
wasted in so many ways. This is the devastation and the waste that happens
in life. Many stories are cautionary tales to help us to make different
choices so that we do not waste the gift of life. Am I not to make a
judgment about the holocaust, racism, an innocent child being killed, and so
many other examples of wasted life and potential and the people who
perpetuated thses injustice? We make judgments and we must live with our
judgments. It is your judgment that I have made a type of judgment and that
I shouldn't. If you do not believe in making judgments than please you
cannot make a judgment on my judgment.

Is it a condemnation? Of course it is a condemning of lives wasted in the
throws of drugs and of injustice, etc. and is not your strong reaction to
my making a judgment a type of condemnation of my behavior. Yes, I make
these judgments everyday and must because it is part of life. Just as you
have in responding to my poem.

However, I do not wish harm to any person nor do I judge that the person
should be harmed. Who am I to wish pain and suffering on someone. However
when there is needless pain and suffering and a life is needlessly wasted we
must say something and in saying something we are making a judgment. If we
do not make judgments we will not be able to hear the "cry for justice."

As I taught a class the other day a lesbian woman who often is judged said,
"The reason someone says we shouldn't be judgmental is because they don't
really want someone to disagree with them and bring up the possibility that
they are wrong."

We will most likely just have to disagree on this one.

Andre

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Avstreih"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: [HEALINGSTORY] Andre's poem




> Andre
> I appreciated what you said about the process of your poem-story about
John.
> I will be blunt, as usual, since I find it hard to be subtle on computer
> without the ebbs and flows of voice-music and body-dance, but I beg your
> indulgence and hope that you find the concepts stimulating and not
> oppressive. I find it ironic that, as the one who set off the firestorm
over
> Elisa'a suggestion of "That Is Good" for dealing with chronic pain, I now
> criticize the opposite extreme of "wasted" life. Maybe Henry Kissinger
lived
> a "wasted life" in that he had both power and intelligence and still could
> not do "good", but as for your friend John???
> I only know that in some social communities, such as the blues musicians,
AA
> friends and African-American communities with whom I have shared parts of
my
> life, lives are spoken of as lived, not wasted. "Waste" is a judgement,
> almost a condemnation: a demand for more than that person had to give.
> Loss, longing, sympathy, anger, sorrow and regret...or maybe, "there but
for
> the Grace of God go I"... but those communities of long-time suffering and
> unfulfilled promise have taught me to be more grateful, humble and
outright
> sad than to think in terms of "wasted".
> Hope this came across to you OK, and without too much judgement from my
> "voice". Bobby
>
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